OSS, SOE, SS, KGB, EBU-Eurovision - alle i slekt!

How come that Unger Vetlesen, "jens Chr HAUGE", "max MANUS", Max Mauser and SS-Standartenführer JONAS LIE were directly related?

- they went to the same school, they lived on the same street, they attended the same church, they were in the same Boy Scouts troup and they were recruited and trained in Oslo (Godlia/Kielland and Bygdøy/Løddesøl-Egge) during 1930-1935 by Soviet master spy Rudolf Ivonovich Abel aka William Fischer, born July 11, 1903 Newcastle upon Tyne - 142 Clara Street, Benwell - baptised/recruited in the Norwegian Seamen's Church North Shields by padre Hans Nilsen Hauge, the grandson of the revivalist lay preacher Hans Nielsen Hauge DAAE MIKKELSEN from Luster

Is true that William Fischer is the grandfather of both Alexander Igorovitsj Rybak (born, 13 May 1986 Minsk , USSR) and Lena Meyer-Landrut (born 23 May 1991), the granddaughter of Andreas Meyer-Landrut, the Estonian-born West German ambassador to the Soviet Union in Moscow?

I find most of your paranoid postings of little or no value to our forum at all. Continue this way and I'll ban your account!
Kurt
ADMIN

Why the owner/administrator of this forum, Kurt Ivar (Lie) MONSEN born 1970, is
hiding from us that he is directly related to S-Standartenführer JONAS (Monsen) LIE?

Both Kurt Ivar and Jonas are descendents of:

Mons Jonassen LIE
15 Feb 1757 - 2 Aug 1827

* OCCUPATION: Oberbrandmæster og procurator i Trondheim (1801)
* OCCUPATION: Rådmann og politimester i Trondheim

and

Gerhard Christenssøn HEIBERG
11 Nov 1714 - 13 Feb 1778

* RESIDENCE: 11 Aug 1760, Skrev brev til biskopen om Karen Rumohr's ekteskap
* OCCUPATION: Sogneprest i Sogndal

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Lie, Jonas , 1899-1945, politimann, forfatter og NS-politiker. Født 31.12.1899 i Kristiania. Foreldre: Forfatter og journalist Erik Røring Møinichen Lie (1868-1943) og tidsskriftredaktør og forfatter Kathrine Elisabeth Dons (1876-1947). Gift 1) 1925 med Sigrun Lund, ekteskapet oppløst 1928. 2) 1928 med Ruth Pettersen, ekteskapet oppløst 1934. 3) 1934 med sangerinnen Gunnvor Evju (født 21.8.1901-?). Død 11.5.1945 på Skallum gård i Bærum, Akershus. – Sønnesønn av Jonas Lie (1833-1908).

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Jonas LIE
[4200]
1899 - 1945

* RESIDENCE: 11 May 1945, (Funnet død sam. m. Sverre Riisnæs og Henrik Rogstad)
* OCCUPATION: Krim.forfatter. Kommisarisk statsråd for Vidkun Quisling
* BIRTH: 1899
* DEATH: 1945, Skallum gård, Bærum, AK

Father: Erik Røring Møinichen LIE
Mother: Katrine Elisabeth DONS

_Mons Jonassen LIE __________________+
_Jonas Lauritz Idemil LIE _|
| |_Pauline Christine TILLER ___________+
_Erik Røring Møinichen LIE _|
| | _Michael Strøm LIE __________________+
| |_Thomasine Henriette LIE __|
| |_Ingeborg Birgitte Røring MØINICHEN _+
|
|--Jonas LIE
|
| _____________________________________
| ___________________________|
| | |_____________________________________
|_Katrine Elisabeth DONS ____|
| _____________________________________
|___________________________|
|_____________________________________

INDEX

[4200] NS-politiker og SS-offiser, kommisarisk statsråd for Quisling, JL, ble 11. mai 1945 funnet død på Skallum gård i Bærum sammen med Sverre Riisnæs og Henrik Rogstad. Under pseudonymet Max Mauser var JL i mellomkrigstiden en av norges fremste kriminalbokforfattere. JL stilte seg bak Rendulics ordre om nedbrenning av Finnmarks bebyggelse, og var en klar kandidat for dødsdom etter krigen, om han hadde levd.

(Kilde : Per Håkon Christiansen, Oslo/Lillehammer, inlegg i DA-debatt 26660, 7.1.2005).

I will make Queen Victoria's word mine: We are not amused!

At least try to keep the historical facts straight, servitutt: Jonas Lie was high ranking police officer since long before the war, and giving him the occupation "crime writer" is really stretching things.
And where is Kurt in the published "family tree"?

Is this some kind of a publisity stunt for a coming movie or book?
I cant think of any other explanation for using time on something this far out.

Internet Trolls
by Timothy Campbell

What is a troll?

An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

Why Does it Matter?

Some people - particularly those who have been online for years - are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.

Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

What Can be Done about Trolls?

When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

What Not to Do

As already stated, it is futile to try to "cure" a troll of his obsession. But perhaps you simply cannot bear the hostile environment that the troll is creating and want to go away for a while.

If you do that, then for the sake of the others on the system, please do not post a dramatic "Goodbye!" message. This convinces the troll that he is winning the battle. There is, perhaps, no message you can write on a message system that is as damaging as an announcement that you are leaving because of the hostility that the troll has kindled.

If you feel you must say something, a discreet message to the system operator (and some of the others users, if you have their email addresses) is the best course of action. Incidentally, if you are writing the letter in an agitated state, it is a good idea to wait an hour and then give it one last review before you actually send it. That might spare you the pain of saying things that you don't really mean to people you like.

Impersonation

One technique used by trolls to generate chaos is to pretend to be a well-liked person. On some systems there is nothing to prevent somebody from signing your name to a distasteful message. On other systems the troll may have to be a bit more wiley, perhaps by replacing one character with another. Here are some examples of various spoofing gimmicks that could be used against a person named Brenda Q. O'Really:

Brenda Q. O"Really
Brenda Q. 0'Really
Brenda Q O'Really
Brenda Q. O'Rea11y
Bredna Q. O'Really
8renda Q. O'Really

Note: "Brenda Q. O'Really" is a made-up name used to illustrate spoofing and is not intended to refer to a particular person.

If you react with anger, the troll wins. So if you see a message impersonating you on a message board, simply write a follow-up reply entitled "That Wasn't Me" and type only this: I did not write that message; it is a fake.

Of course, sometimes you will find that people who know you well have already identified the message as a fake and have tagged it as such. After all, one of the troll's goals is to make you look bad. If you have a good reputation, people will be tipped off if a message that you apparently wrote is completely out of character.

Trolls have been known to become so irritated at having their spoofs identified that they have learned to write in another person's style. They may end up writing an intelligent message that is indistinguishable from your own golden words. If that happens, you can always just let the post stand and take credit for it!

Trolls will also sometimes write a "That Wasn't Me" message after a genuine one, attempting to elicit a denial. There really is no reason to give him what he wants, since a "That Wasn't Me" warning merely reminds people to be skeptical. That is to say, it is of no real consequence if somebody isn't sure that you wrote a normal message, since in the long run it is the ideas that are important.

The Webmaster's Challenge

When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed - more on this later.

The moderator of a message board may not be able to delete a troll's messages right away, but their job is made much harder if they also have to read numerous replies to trolls. They are also forced to decide whether or not to delete posts from well-meaning folks which have the unintended effect of encouraging the troll.

Some webmasters have to endure conscientious users telling them that they are "acting like dictators" and should never delete a single message. These people may be misinformed: they may have arrived at their opinion about a troll based on the messages they see, never realizing that the webmaster has already deleted his most horrific material. Please remember that a troll does have an alternative if he has something of value to say: there are services on the net that provide messaging systems free of charge. So the troll can set up his own message board, where he can make his own decisions about the kind of content he will tolerate.

Just how much can we expect of a webmaster when it comes to preserving the principles of free speech? Some trolls find sport in determining what the breaking point is for a particular message board operator. They might post a dozen messages, each of which contains 400 lines of the letter "J". That is a form of expression, to be sure, but would you consider it your duty to play host to such a person?

Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one - himself.

What about Free Speech?

When trolls find that their efforts are being successfully resisted, they often complain that their right to free speech is being infringed. Let us examine that claim.

While most people on the Internet are ardent defenders of free speech, it is not an absolute right; there are practical limitations. For example, you may not scream out "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, and you may not make jokes about bombs while waiting to board an airplane. We accept these limitations because we recognize that they serve a greater good.

Another useful example is the control of the radio frequency spectrum. You might wish to set up a powerful radio station to broadcast your ideas, but you cannot do so without applying for a license. Again, this is a practical limitation: if everybody broadcasted without restriction, the repercussions would be annoying at best and life-threatening at worst.

The radio example is helpful for another reason: with countless people having a legitimate need to use radio communications, it is important to ensure that nobody is 'monopolizing the channel'. There are only so many clear channels available in each frequency band and these must be shared.

When a troll attacks a message board, he generally posts a lot of messages. Even if his messages are not particularly inflammatory, they can be so numerous that they drown out the regular conversations (this is known as 'flooding'). Needless to say, no one person's opinions can be allowed to monopolize a channel.

The ultimate response to the 'free speech' argument is this: while we may have the right to say more or less whatever we want, we do not have the right to say it wherever we want. You may feel strongly about the fact that your neighbour has not mowed his lawn for two months, but you do not have the right to berate him in his own living room. Similarly, if a webmaster tells a troll that he is not welcome, the troll has no "right" to remain. This is particularly true on the numerous free communications services offered on the net. (On pay systems, the troll might be justified in asking for a refund.)

Why Do They Do It?

Affirmation.

Regular net users know how delightful it is when somebody responds to something they have written. It is a meeting of the minds, which is an intellectual thrill, but it is also an acknowledgement of one's value - and that can be a very satisfying emotional reward.

Trolls crave attention, and they care not whether it is positive or negative. They see the Internet as a mirror into which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture.

If you want a deeper analysis than that, perhaps a psychologist can shed some additional light on the matter.

Conclusion

Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody who you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and type only this:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

By posting such a message, you let the troll know that you know what he is, and that you are not going to get dragged into his twisted little hobby.

The Internet is a splendidly haphazard collection of both serious and silly material. Because it is so free, there are bound to be problems. I think that we can best enjoy it if we deal with everything that happens online with a wry grin and a ready shrug.

On October 18, 1950 the King of Norway, represented by Astri Sverdrup Rynning and Astrid Will Monsen,issued an ordonance changing the name of the British citizen George Hans Bernardes, born 15.05.1939 Caterham, Surrey,England to George Hans MANUS, Asker.

This change of the Last name (from Bernardes to MANUS) was requersted by "Max Manus", without the consent of the father (British authorities), and in direct violation of Norwegian law.

Both Astri Sverdrup Rynning and Astrid Will Monsen knew very well that "Max Manus" was not a real name.

They certainly knew about the recruitment conducted in Oslo by Soviet super spy RudolfAbel aka Henry Fisher in 1931-1935.

The Venona FBI FOIA Files identify royal court manager "hoffsjef" Smith-Kielland as a Soviet spy.

Both Rynning and Monsen were involved as judges in several Soviet spy cover-up court cases, including Treholt.

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Astrid Monsen var født i Riga. Moren var tyskbalter. Faren var fra Tønsberg og drev handel i Baltikum.


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byrettsdommer Astrid Will Monsen (gift med MONSEN Alf Erik, generaladvokat)
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Fra Wikipedia, den frie encyklopedi

Astri Sverdrup Rynning (født 10. mai 1915 i Sandefjord, død 17. november 2006) var en norsk dommer og politiker (H).

Hun ble cand. jur. i 1940 og arbeidet deretter som advokatfullmektig i Larvik og dommerfullmektig i Solør. Hun arbeidet i Justisdepartementet fra 1945, hvor hun fra 1956 var byråsjef.

I 1963 ble hun byrettsdommer i Oslo byrett, hvor ble frem til hum ble lagdommer i Eidsivating lagmannsrett i 1969. I 1978 ble hun lagmann og førstelagmann fra 1980 frem til nådd aldersgrense i 1985. Hun fortsatte som ekstraordinær lagdommer frem til fylte 75 år.

Hun ble landskjent i 1985 da hun administrerte spionsaken mot Arne Treholt. Hun var også dommer i Lillehammer-saken i 1974 og i saken Henki Hauge Karlsen anla for urettmessig avskjedigelse.
Familie [rediger]

Hun var datter av høyesterettsadvokat Trygve Rynning og hjemmeværende husmor Aagot Sverdrup.

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Lov av 9. februar 1923 nr. 2 om personnavn
§ 7. Bevilling til å anta eller forandre slektsnavn eller til å forandre navnets skrivemåte meddeles av Kongen eller den han bemyndiger.
§ 8. Bevilling bør i almindelighet ikke gis til å anta:
1. navn med utenlandsk klang eller skrivemåte;
2. navn som hører til de mer utbredte efternavn;
3. navn som er i bruk som fornavn og som ikke efter sin oprinnelse er slektsnavn.
§ 9. Bevilling kan bare meddeles med samtykke av dem, som allerede bruker et navn som slektsnavn, eller som har rett til å anta det som slektsnavn efter § 5, post 1, når der søkes om antagelse av samme navn, og navnet ikke hører til de mer utbredte. Det samme gjelder bevilling til antagelse av et lignende navn, når forveksling må befryktes å kunne opstå, og ikke noget av navnene hører til de mer utbredte eller ar en tilsvarende likhet også med et sådant navn.

For umyndige gis samtykke av foreldre eller verge.

Ved anvendelsen av foranstående bestemmelser på navn, som består av flere ord, betraktes hvert enkelt av disse som et særskilt navn.


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MONSEN Alf Erik, generaladvokat, Oslo, f. 7.
jan. 1904 i Tønsberg, sønn av skipsreder Ole
Christian M. (1874-1950) og Gudrun Bache
(1882-1960). Gift 1948 Astrid Sofie Will, f. 24.
juni 1920, dtr. av overlege Peder Sunde W.
(1877-1939) og Anna Catharina Unger (1881
-1967).

St. 1922, cand. jur. 1925, h.r.adv. 1933.

O.r.sakf. 1926, adv.fullm. 1926, eget kontor
fra 1927. Krigsadv. for Ostl. 1946-65,
krigs-adv. for Tyskl.komm. 1947-53, for de norske
enheter ved FN's vaktstyrker i Midt-Østen
1956-65 og for Congo 1960-64. Aktor Oslo
Byrett 1947, gen.adv. siden 1965.

Styremedl., senere form. A/S Norske
Assu-ranseunion 1940-65, Oslo komm.
heimeverns-nemnd siden 1947. Styremedl. Soc. Intern, de
Droit Penal Militaire et de Droit de la Guerre
siden 1965.

Delt.med., Idr.M.

MONSEN Christian August, kommandørkapt.,
Sandefjord, f. 27. okt. 1907, bror av ovenn.
gen.adv. Alf E. M. Gift 1931 Gerd
Holm-Johannessen, f. 7. mars 1907, dtr. av skipsr.
Peder Johannessen (d. 1940), Tønsberg og
Olga Sørensen.

Vpl. sjøoff. 1928, stud. reassuranse ved
franske selsk. 1937-38.

Sekr. A/S Norske Assuranceunion 1932,

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Drept av hemmelig politi?

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GUD DREPTE HOMO-PREST. etter flere advarsler. Opplevelser 1976-1990. Forfatter: Harald Hæreid. Versjon 16. mai 2008. Tidligere tittel: Drapet på pastor ...
LLH - Landsforeningen for lesbiske, homofile, bifile og transpersoner

Av byrettens dom (byrettsdommer Astrid Will Monsen med domsmenn): A, født 1 .

9.1943, pastor i Oslo Fullevangeliske Kirke. Gift, forsørger hustru og 6 barn. ...
GUD DREPTE HOMO-PREST e advarsler/Rettssakene mot Bratterud

Det var byrettsdommer Astrid Will Monsen som ledet byrettens forhandlinger. Hans ble frikjent 15. juni 1984, til stor glede i OFK og kretsen rundt Hans. ...


http://www.almamatersdotre.no/Artikler/3655.

Astrid Monsen 1886-1960

Astrid Monsen var født i Riga. Moren var tyskbalter. Faren var fra Tønsberg og drev handel i Baltikum. Skolegangen hennes foregikk på russisk og tysk. Hun studerte paleontologi og historisk geologi i Jena, Kønigsberg og Leipzig og var assistent ved Leipzig Paleontologiske Museum. Men 1.verdenskrig og revolusjonen 1917 drev familien ut av Baltikum. Alt 1916 studerer hun i Kristiania. 1918 får hun som stud. real. og eneste søker, den nyopprettede stilling som konservator hos professor Kolderup sr. ved Bergen Museum.
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Rt-1965-987
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INSTANS: Høyesterett - dom
DATO: 1965-10-09
DOKNR/PUBLISERT: Rt-1965-987
STIKKORD: Militærvesen. - Straffeloven - Kap. 8. Forbrytelser mot statens selvstendighet og sikkerhet.
SAMMENDRAG: En tidligere sikkerhetsoffiser ble i lagmannsretten dømt til 12 års fengsel og tap av embete m.v. for forbrytelser mot straffeloven § 90, § 91 og § 94 annet ledd nr. 2 og 4, den militære straffelov § 69 og lov om forsvarshemmeligheter av 18. august 1914 nr. 3 § 4. Høyesterett nedsatte fengselsstraffen til 10 år. - Domfeltes anke over saksbehandlingen - mangelfulle domsgrunner, manglende åstedsbefaring m.v. - ble forkastet. - Anken over lovanvendelsen førte heller ikke frem. Det kvalifiserende i lov om forsvarshemmeligheter § 4 er at gjerningsmannen medvirker ved etterretninger. Det kreves ikke at de opplysninger som gis skal omfatte hemmeligheter i egentlig forstand, men etterretningene må ikke ligge utenfor hva der fornuftigvis kan være gjenstand for spionasje. « Tjenestehemmeligheter » i militære straffelov § 69 har et videre innhold enn begrepet « hemmeligheter » i straffeloven § 90. Straffeloven § 91 og § 94 kan anvendes ved siden av § 90, jfr. Rt-1954-858. *
Henvisninger: lov-1902-05-22-10-§90 (Strl § 90), lov-1902-05-22-10-§91 (Strl § 91). lov-1902-05-22-10-§94 (Strl § 94). lov-1902-05-22-13-§69 (Milstrl § 69). lov-1914-08-18-3-§4 (Forsvarshemmelighetslov § 4).

SAKSGANG: L.nr. 114
PARTER: Statsadvokat L.J. Dorenfeldt, aktor mot A (forsvarer høyesterettsadvokat Trygve Norman).
FORFATTER: Endresen, Berger, Hiorthøy, Kristen Andersen og justitiarius Terje Wold.



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*) Av sikkerhetsmessige grunner er ikke dommen offentliggjort i sin helhet.
Henvisninger i teksten: lov-1887-07-01-5-§292 (Strpl § 292), lov-1887-07-01-5-§375 (Strpl § 375), lov-1887-07-01-5-§452 (Strpl § 452), lov-1900-05-31-5-§17 (Løsgjængerlov § 17), lov-1902-05-22-10-§14 (Strl § 14), lov-1902-05-22-10-§1 (Strl § 1), lov-1902-05-22-10-§29 (Strl § 29), lov-1902-05-22-10-§30 (Strl § 30), lov-1902-05-22-10-§50 (Strl § 50), lov-1902-05-22-10-§62 (Strl § 62), lov-1902-05-22-13-§34 (Milstrl § 34), lov-1902-05-22-13-§77 (Milstrl § 77), lov-1915-08-13-5-§125 (Dl § 125), lov-1947-02-21-2-§30 (Lov om rettergang i landssviksaker § 30), lov-1947-02-21-2-§36 (Lov om rettergang i landssviksaker § 36)
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Dommer Endresen: I straffesak mot A, født *.*.1925, avsa Eidsivating lagmannsrett 16. juni 1965 dom med slik domsslutning:
«I. A dømmes for forbrytelser mot strl. § 94, 2. ledd nr. 2 og 4, § 91, § 90, 1. ledd, den militære strl. § 69 og loven om forsvarshemmeligheter av 18. august 1914 nr. 3 § 4, alt sammenholdt med strl. § 62, til fengsel i 12 - tolv - år med fradrag av 202 - tohundreogto - dager for utholdt varetektsfengsel.
II. Med hjemmel i strl. § 29 nr. 1 fradømmes han sitt embete som kaptein i luftforsvaret.
III. Med hjemmel i strl. § 30 fradømmes han for alltid retten til å gjøre tjeneste i rikets krigsmakt (verneretten).
IV. Han frifinnes etter tiltalens poster II og III første del, - strl. §§ 91 og 90, 1. ledd - forsåvidt angår mobiliseringsplanen for Torp flyplass og fortegnelsen over militære drivstoffanlegg.
V. Saksomkostninger idømmes ikke.»
Retten tok ikke til følge påstanden under tiltalens post I og post III om anvendelse henholdsvis av straffelovens § 94 første ledd og dens § 90 tredje ledd.
Lagmannsretten var i medhold av lov om rettergang i landssviksaker av 21. februar 1947 § 30 sammensatt av tre rettskyndige dommere og fire domsmenn. Saken har så vel i
Side 988

lagmannsretten som i Høyesterett i medhold av domstolslovens § 125 vært behandlet for lukkede dører.
Om saksforholdet og domfeltes personlige forhold vises til lagmannsrettens domsgrunner.
Domfelte har påanket dommen til Høyesterett. Anken gjelder saksbehandlingen, lovanvendelsen og straffutmålingen. Jeg behandler de forskjellige ankeanførsler i nevnte rekkefølge.
Saksbehandlingen.

I am somewhat surprised and a little disappointed that despite being so apparently knowledgeable on Max Manus and his life history, 'Servitutt' has been unable, or perhaps unwilling, to break the Max Manus' two letter code that was posted a few weeks back. It's simple enough; the code letters used are exactly the same as he used on his operations and therefore 'Servitutt' shoud have no problem in de-coding the message that was posted in direct response to his claims. I am sure Max Manus would approve of the message (if was alive of course).

So, the challenge is there, 'Servitutt': break Manus' code and then perhaps we can all get back to the intelligent postings, debates and discussions that this Forum is ably noted for.

Bob Pearson

Hello,

The topic has a value, for the humour. But this is no joke forum, so be warned.

B

Hi Bjorn,

Yes, I fully agree with you entirely. However, my message was certainly to Servitutt was certainly no joke. His postings are very inaccurate and disturbing and can be seen by some as offensive. I care little if he thinks I am some sort of Russian spy (which I am not!), but I do care when the names of those who cannot defend themselves are brought in to disrepute, hence Manus' code.

Hopefully, he will 'read' it and then take note and ply his distorted and twisted views elsewhere. Then perhaps we can get back to the educational, inspirational, and helpful postings this forum is renowned for.

Cheers

Bob

I have just been made aware of servitutts postings after my warning and was amazed to see that he linked me up to, among others, Jonas Lie.
Now, I have in fact read a lot about Jonas Lie and owned several of his personal letters to his 2. wife, Gunvor Evju Lie. Before the war, he was responsible for several improvments within the police force and was also a war correspondent during the war following the famous "Wiking" division. But he became most famous for his more agressive pro-germany thoughts.
But i have to dissapiont Servitutt with his rather sloppy research as there was noone among my relatives that participated in ww2. The closest I got is my mothers uncle who was in the "Tysklandsbrigaden", securing Germany after the war was over.
So, I am indeed not colored by any side of the war and have tried to stribe (With my co worker Bjørn) towards a neutral site about Norway role during ww2.

In fact, if I should have an additional middle name, it should be "boring" (At least when it comes to historical persons among my relatives.)
I and many others with me failed to see the documented connection between Jonas lie and my relatives, even though you listet up many names and loose ends that seems not to relate to each other. If you cannot find anything more specific than this, I'll think we all can draw our concusion of your seriousity when it comes to research.

Also I would like to inform our foreign readers that Monsen is perhaps one of the most usual surnames in Norway. It means son of Mons, and there was many, many sons of many, many Mons in and around Norway. An american called me a year ago and was very dissapointed when he discovered that we where not related, -he thought he had found a distant relative since we both had the same surname. Only in Bergen you will find thousands of Monsens.

I will let this post be open for a while, so everyone can read my comments to servitutts posting. Then this thread will be removed.
Kurt
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And by the way, if Servitutt can find any undeniable proof of relationship between me and Jonas Lie, he can email me directly and I'll post the evidence in this forum along with an apologee and reopen servitutts account (On probation, though)
Kurt